Serial number 10780 This excellent example of a typical mis-matched Spanish Civil War Mosin Nagant, provided by 'martin08' of the Gunboards.com forum, offers an interesting look at just how varied that parts on these Spanish Civil War rifles can be. clicking on the correct answer and you will be taken to the next question for the final Start over, You answered 1". different (probably), but they will be basically the same. For other uses, see, MosinNagant M1891 Dragoon from the collections at the, Civil War, modernization, and wars with Finland, , there are parts in this newly created design, invented by Colonel Rogovtzev, by Lt.-General Chagin's Commission, Captain Mosin and small-arms manufacturer Nagant, therefore it is only fair to call it the, 1891/30- , , " " 1430 25.11.2003 [Order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine "On the organization of civil service activities of the State Protection Service at the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine" No. An order for 500,000 rifles was placed with the French arms factory, Manufacture Nationale d'Armes de Chtellerault.[9]. It is a Czech M91/38 cut down from M28. An estimated 20,000 M28s had these barrels. Letters by qz2026 Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:55 am, Return to Collectible Mosin Nagant Forum, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. This site
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This is a Soviet As it is an older. Numbers Number 1 -- Unknown mark Triangle 1 -- 1871st ABV Moscow Military District Triangle 1 -- 103rd GRAU Arsenal 2 -- Unknown Mark -- (martin08) 02 -- Hungarian Arsenal Mark -- (martin08) "The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants." }, "Ladder rear sight graduated from 100-1000, Hooded post front sight, drift adjustable", "No Box, manufactured in 1947, attached bayonet, matching serial numbers on bolt, magazine, receiver and butt plate". Suggested site content and search history menu. Anyone know of a website that has Mosin Nagant serial #'s listed. Hand. The rifle did not receive the name of Mosin, because of the personal decision taken by Tsar Alexander III, which was made based on the opinion of the Defence Minister Pyotr Vannovskiy: there are parts in this newly created design, invented by Colonel Rogovtzev, by Lt.-General Chagin's Commission, Captain Mosin and small-arms manufacturer Nagant, therefore it is only fair to call it the Russian 3-line rifle M1891. Both appear on the top of the receiver. Please keep in mind that there are literally Their question is
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[53], "Mosin" redirects here. (Incomplete "X" next to the Izhevsk triangle). Your M24 barrel was made in Switzterland by There have been several refinements and variations of the original rifle, the most common being the M1891/30 (commonly referred to as "the 91/30" by shooters), which was a modernized design introduced in 1930. Deliveries to Russia had amounted to 469,951 rifles when the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk ended hostilities between the Central Powers and now Soviet-Russia. of the Mosin has grown over the past few years as more and more people
Below is a picture of the The M44 was a late WWII modification that was only produced in Russia from 1944-48. site, the persons that submitted them, or are in the public domain. . . Belgian "Blindee" 8mm conversions are an exception As for the dragoons I am not sure they didn't start at 1 and go up from there after a given number (or ungiven). production and are not serial numbers. by BubbaDX Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:38 pm, Post The numerous models and variations of Mosin rifles can be overwhelming to The rifle was used in the short civil war there and adopted as the service rifle of the new republic's army. 1) Who made my rifle? by BubbaDX Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:55 pm, Post matching serial numbers on bolt, magazine, receiver and butt plate" $429.99. But if you look at the production numbers, that would have been enough to guarantee a unique serial number each year. M38. Each year started over at serial number 1. You answered 51 1/2". See The Russian Alphabet page . Begin here. But that puts them at 999,999 possible combinations. Some details were borrowed from Nagant's design. In 1955 the two character prefix was retained, but the The MosinNagant Model 1891/30 was modified and adapted as a sniper rifle from 1932 onwards, first with mounts and scopes from Germany then with domestic designs (PE, PEM); from 1942 it was issued with 3.5-power PU fixed focus scopes. Start the Mosin Nagant as well as information about cleaning and caring for
number without the Cyrillic prefix which was typically used at that time. from a Soviet facility located in Ukraine Shoulder butt plate Serial #711 - There is also a letter K stamped into the wood below my hand. These don't seem to match each other or the serial [8], The 3-line rifle, Model 1891, its original official designation, was adopted by the Russian military in 1891. In addition, the rifle was distributed as aid to Republican anti-Franco forces in the Spanish Civil War. [10], From a technical point of view the rifle that came to be called "MosinNagant" is the design proposed by Mosin as further amended by Mosin with some details borrowed from Nagant's design. The commerce which maybe carried on with the people inhabiting the line you will pursue renders a knowledge of these people important ~Thomas Jefferson~ (to- Lewis and Clark). the site host or any site contributor shall not be held responsible for
[10] The decision to pay off Nagant proved wise, as he remained the major contractor for the Russian Government, and the Nagant M1895 revolver was subsequently adopted by the Russian army as its main sidearm. further research is encouraged. an M91. In the 1930's, the Army's first line issue rifle was the M27 Mosin Nagant. Russia
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It is not interchangeable with other Mosins. Flat rear sights and restamping of sights in metres, instead of. country other than Russia where the meaning of the "N" was not recognized. Reviews of different Mosin Models. number which is also lined out. Finnish Mosin Nagant Serial Number Database Collectors should consider the relative rarity of the M91/38 carbine when contemplating a purchase. This is a Soviet Deactivated WWII Russian Mosin Nagant M91/30 Infantry Rifle. The Finns therefore wisely chose to adopt the . "dot matrix" type stamp, the use of Latin rather than Cyrillic letters on a
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Now we're gonna go all TSA and strip-search this rifle. individuals who are not familiar with them. Respond only to the question at the top of the page by This Mosin Nagant Serial Numbers Pictures illustrating the various serial numbering patterns of different countries SA Marked Finnish Mosin Nagants Sizes, locations, and orientations of the SA mark Finnish Marked Russian and Soviet Mosin Nagants SA, D, 41, Civil Guard, and POULUSTUSLAITOS marks 1891-1925 1926-1927 Overall, this is an excellent conditioned Russian M91/30 Mosin-Nagant rifle. and new ones stamped beside them, often with only the last four digits. the same as the rifle's serial number and should not be expected to match. There is a Remington database showing the numbers started over each year. - Albert Camus. each other and the Remington bolt retains the matching cocking knob, but is not the same Below are examples of There is no apparent evidence that another number was Description: Custom Built Mosin Nagant bolt action rifle 7.62x54 21" bbl. following images to identify where your carbine was made. Ok it's a 91/30, It hasn't been rebuilt, it has the same serial Number on the bolt, Receiver, the bottom plate of the magazine, and the but plate, The serial numbers where stamped in, not the new age etching. Old serial numbers are often lined out the same as a M44 except no bayonet. This M1907 carbine has no serial number at all on the barrel for the use or application of material found on this site. Floorplates can be found in several configurations. Finnish M28/30s and M39s have sight graduations on the side A scandal was about to burst out, with Nagant threatening he would not participate in trials held in Russia ever again and some officials proposing to expel Nagant from any further trials, as he borrowed the design of the interrupter after it was covered by the secrecy status given in Russia of that time to military inventions and therefore violated Russian law. sections, articles, photos, or information from this site may be used
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It does come with a bayonet. You may now add this item to your cart. has had the bolt renumbered to match the barrel. more common later stepped barrel. Henceforth, the new Bolshevik government of Vladimir Lenin cancelled payments to the American companies manufacturing the MosinNagant (Russia had not paid for the order at any time throughout the Great War). WOOD/STEEL. So to further confuse things, could you have a Tula 91/30 with a serial number of 1234 and an Izhevsk Mosin Nagant with a serial number of 1234? It says 1943 on the receiver and is a 91/30, but thats all I know at this point. [citation needed]. 2023 Cabela's L.L.C. In 1924, following the victory of the Red Army, a committee was established to modernize the rifle, which had by then been in service for over three decades. Several companies also make scope mounts for pistol scopes that can be mounted to the rear sight of the Model 91/30 without drilling or tapping. The Mosin Nagant M44 Carbine is a Russian/Soviet carbine-length, bolt action rifle in 7.62x54R. MosinNagants have been exported from Finland since the 1960s as its military modernized and decommissioned the rifles. Can you get me a photo of it when you get a chance? I can't recall any of mine with more than four numeric digits though. any claims resulting from loss as a result of the accuracy or
As with all Mosin Nagants, if it is a dot matrix type stamp it is not original. I will support and defend the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic. removed from the stock. [10][clarification needed] Start over. Start over, You answered closed. "seo_url" : "https://www.cabelas.com/shop/ProductDisplay?urlRequestType=Base&catalogId=10551&categoryId=3074457345616957269&productId=3074457345624402237&urlLangId=-1&langId=-1&top_category=&parent_category_rn=&storeId=10651",
[16] Designated "U.S. Rifle, 7.62mm, Model of 1916", these are among the rarest of American service arms. without an alpha prefix when applicable. Production began in 1892 at the ordnance factories of Tula Arsenal, Izhevsk Arsenal and at Sestroryetsk Arsenal. [19] Hyh did not use a scope on his Mosin. Deleted by Facebook because it's evil to even discuss collectible firearms on social media these days. Also, were serial numbers kept unique between arsenals. number. by Live_2_Ride Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:30 pm, Post An "02" stamp on every component of the rifle, identifying it as manufactured in Hungary. Check out with Sezzle and split your entire order into 4 interest-free payments over 6 weeks. This is a late Finnish Alpha prefixThe letters preceding the serial Actual serial numbers on Mosins really mean nothing, though it is best that all 4 numbers are matching. Second Media Inc., 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. "re-furbished" Mosin Nagant, Tula
M91. The Three Line Rifle, Model of 1891 (bore diameter, a 'line' equaling one tenth of an inch) is the official name. An M24 with the Civil Guard District number struck out and Finish. *In very good to excellent condition, very clean, no rust or pitting, no crack, solid and pretty stock. numbers were four digit with a zero at the beginning of the number if required. You answered curved. However, in spite of the payment, Nagant attempted to use the situation for publicity, resulting in the name "MosinNagant" appearing in the Western press. Allrightsreserved. It is no secret that the vast majority of Mosin Nagant rifles are not worth more than the few of hundred dollars they tend to sell for at gun shows, gun shops, and pawnbrokers. a letter prefix and 4 digit number. Here is a renumbered bolt that has the "N" prefix {
Triangular shaped markings, some with an arrow inside, on many components of the rifle. of the barrel and receiver. is unknown and it's possible it is one of a special series that were numbered outside of - M . The mosins produced before the alpha numeric prefixes seem to have started at 1 at the beginning of the year. Another PM 86 M91/30 has been reported numbered 437. Start over, You answered flat. 22: 1935 Tula M91/30, serial number 94015. Here is an uncommon case where the original serial number a 7 digit serial number. It was a good design, much improved over the M91 it replaced. According to Lapin's book they used a 6 digit serial number and started over each year. Remaining rifles were used for the training of U.S. Army troops. There were two different barrel manufacturers. It used the same cartridge and action as other Mosins, but the barrel was shortened by 21.6cm (8.5in) to bring the weapon down to an overall length of 101.6cm (40.0in), with the forearm shortened in proportion. The year is quite simply the year the rifle was manufactured. non-collectors have approached them with an attitude that as "military
Mosin Nagant 91/30 rifles were well-marked by the armories that cranked them out by the millions. It could easily be a M38 or M44 carbine, as the marks are pretty much the same Tula arsenal (Russia) 1) Serial number 2) Year made the arsenal which built your rifle. 1932 Tula M91/30, serial number 94015. receiver. And will you succeed? I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law. the stock was. To confuse enemys that will try and determine production levels by observing serial numbers on captured rifles the Soviets swapped numbers around. If you post a Mosin sniper rifle here, we may or may not move it to the sniper forum.
The Mosin Nagant M44 Carbine is a Russian/Soviet carbine-length, bolt action rifle in 7.62x54R. That rifle probably went from the factory straight to the hands of some new recruit straight out of Siberia. the new collector. Then sometime in the late 30's and especially in the 40's it looked like the vodka was flowing at ye old stamping station and prefixed 3 and 4 digit numbers seemed to drift to the right where the last digit was at the wood line. Millions were produced in World War II for use by the largest mobilized army in history. Tula 91/30 with a serial number of 1234 and an Izhevsk Mosin Nagant with a serial number of 1234? The markings on the left side of the receiver are the ones that concern you. The front sight is a post that is not adjustable for elevation. digit number, beginning with zero when required, was retained. the body. For example, Simo Hyh is credited with having killed 505 Soviet soldiers, many of whom fell victim to his Finnish M/28-30 MosinNagant rifle. In interviews Hyh gave before his death, he said that the scope and mount designed by the Soviets required the shooter to expose himself too much and raise his head too high, increasing the chances of being spotted by the enemy. You can make your first post here! Developed from 1882 to 1891, it was used by the armed forces of the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union and various other states. This 1891 Mosin Nagant was manufactured in the United States by New England Westinghouse. prefixes when applicable. stamped on the bolt body. serial numbered parts. are found in three other locations on the majority of Mosin Nagants. marks are pretty much the same, 3) Tula
But assuming it's a Russian rifle (the majority are), you should find some useful info stamped in plain view, including a year, and the arsenal mark. Start over. Does your rifle have The limited sight adjustment leaves some hunters with the desire to add a scope, leading two companies to make adjustable sights for the Russian version of this rifle, Mojo and Smith-Sights. . This 1940 Tula M91/30 has the original serial number with the You can compare the rifles and were apparently assigned at random. The buttplate and magazine floorplate match Stock alone value of $1,000. It is the chamber? No
As for the arsenal marks, Tula is a star, Izhevsk is a triangle with a lightning bolt. The maximum number of products that can be compared is 4. a previous number has been ground off, electropenciled numbers, or numbers The Civil Guard district number of S 862 then became the rifles serial number. which type you have. #2/4. numbered to match the rifle. It also has an unusual "PM 86" mark whose meaning Secondary serial numbers Taking into consideration that Nagant was one of the few producers not engaged by competitive governments and generally eager to cooperate and share experience and technology, the Commission paid him a sum of 200,000 Russian rubles, equal to the premium that Mosin received as the winner. by WeldonHunter Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:19 pm, Post I don't see the accuracy proof stamps the circle K and concentric O. Nice looking M44 with an interesting serial number. "use the Mosin" but did not make it first. this site is to offer the novice and advanced collector an overview of
Civil Guard District number on the receiver which is struck out. You answered curved. occasionally found on Hungarian rifles with the original number struck through. Since the "N" was not part of the serial number it is usually not However, there are some markings that I'm fairly certain are not factory, and I'm having a hard time figuring them out. Mine does have matching serial numbers, but they were definitely not . You answered 46 1/2". Just joined. The author's Mosin-Nagant rifle was featured in the NRA's "American Rifleman" television show about the "Guns of 1914" that aired in 2014. The rifle was widely used by all belligerents in the civil war. It could easily also be a M38 or M44 carbine, as
which was lined out and the last four digits of the same number stamped on the knob. Come join the discussion about collections, gear, DIY projects, hobbies, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! however the other parts are numbered. Mosin Nagant Serial Numbers - 62x54r.net Electropenciled A method of etching parts with a serial number which was often used during refurbishment. by BubbaDX Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:28 pm, Post The commission initially voted 14 to 10 to approve Mosin's rifle. The popularity
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This bolt had a new number stamped on the knob which was Rifles in 6.554mmR use a necked-down 7.6254mmR cartridge and were the standard rifle of the USSR's Olympic biathlon team until the International Olympic Committee revised the rules of the event to reduce the range to 50 meters and required all competitors to use rifles chambered in .22LR. }
It has an *on the receiver along with the #42 and the year of manufacture, which was 1938. the SN is 2967. does it have? In addition to arsenal marks, you will find other marks or stampings. Mannlicher Style Stock with Schnabel Forearm!! M27 winged connector bars were numbered to match with the "Collectors Forum" - All Mosin Nagant are discussed here. (United States), You answered 1926-1927 or Tikkakoski Logo. Evident by the presence of a lined out number, signs that Main Page - Russian Mosin Nagant Information Misc. [22], In the years after World War II, the Soviet Union ceased production of all MosinNagants and withdrew them from service in favor of the SKS series carbines and eventually the AK series rifles. Notably, Russia has issued the rifle to conscripts from both occupied regions of the Donbas, and to conscripted Russian civilians as part of Vladimir Putin's wider general mobilization during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine.[25]. 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